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Hella Good · Sep 22, 2006, 03:01 PM // 15:01

Hella Good · Sep 22, 2006, 03:13 PM // 15:13

The different names throw me off, I should proly edit Wiki.

TeeGee · Sep 22, 2006, 03:25 PM // 15:25

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How is cop not that good anymore on a boonprot, who's highest attribute is DF? It still is able to rip away decent hex piles and conditions.

It's not because change to CoP Avarre, but because recharge on Divine Boon. In typical PvP situation when you have your DB removed by mesmer's constantly you don't want to remove it yourself when you finaly get it. That's why CoP is not THAT good now (but still more than viable anyway) and many BP tend to use Hex Breaker instead.

Siddious · Sep 22, 2006, 05:51 PM // 17:51

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Originally Posted by Terra Xin

Visions of Regret 10e 2c 20r
Elite Hex Spell. For 5...17 seconds, target foe takes 30...102 damage whenever that foe uses an adrenal skill.

This is an amazing elite! At 16 domination it lasts for about 21seconds and does around 128dmg! It is the warrior version of backfire!
Signet Of Illusion is another fantastic elite, has a wide variety of uses.
Another skill I really like is Frustration, this skill is way better than migraine.

Overally I think mesmers got a really nice selection of skills and elites. My only concern is why did mesmers not get an anti-shout skill, but necro's and ranger's did....I mean come on...

TeeGee · Sep 22, 2006, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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This is an amazing elite! At 16 domination it lasts for about 21seconds and does around 128dmg! It is the warrior version of backfire!

Erm elite version of rather mediocre hex and works only on adrenal skills which are fewer than spells. What to be excited about... It would be good for PvE if non elite.

I'm a bit dissapointed of new mesmer skills. They are funny but worthless - compare it to what monk got...

Hella Good · Sep 22, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Yes, I tried it. I was very excited as well, and it was worthwhile just for the pure pleasure of a War dying to his/her own spike, BUT it is very situational and TeeGee said, and def not worthwhile for an elite.

TeeGee · Sep 22, 2006, 06:55 PM // 18:55

Hmm after some testing I must say that Wastrel's Demise is nice skill. It usualy deals plain 70 points of armor-ignoring damage every 8 seconds (or more frequent with HSR mods and/or MoR). Nice for pressure, nice for spiking. If I only could find a place for it in my domination build...

Also Tease seems to be very funny and maybe even good. I don't have FB right now to test it? Maybe anyone did and want to share his thoughts?

HolyHawk · Sep 22, 2006, 07:12 PM // 19:12

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Originally Posted by Dragannia

...Then that requires you to use Fevered Dreams, the worst Mesmer elite ever. Yes, worse than Keystone signet.

We are using fevered dreams instead of tainted flesh in our build (we just inspired tainted from others when necessary). It's just wonderfull for condition pressure, and the range is pretty big. A cripple poisoned shot hitting 4 targets at once is no where to be bad. Keystone has very limited uses, might work now with some of the signet stances.

HolyHawk · Sep 22, 2006, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by Avarre

How is cop not that good anymore on a boonprot, who's highest attribute is DF?

It still is able to rip away decent hex piles and conditions.

Anyways... I don't really like signet of illusion. Sure, you can cast max ele skills, but there are eles for that and mesmer energy isn't built to keep up with those spells. For necros... stealing something useful on it's own is quite unlikely, and the only real use is tossing back necro hexes. However, then what's the point of your own hexes.. sure, you can balance them, but it seems too gimmicky to me when you could just spec into it yourself.

Only real way I could see running it effectively is by 4-attrib skill splitting, and using Sig of illusions to fire off a high power skill that you put no points in.

*sarcasm* we can make high level minions now lawl

seriously, the builds will be kinda conditional, but I can see potential in arcane lacerny/thievery builds with that. Again, you can have some of your own attibutes set to 0 (like inspiration), and max power onto domination + illusion. Sure it's linked to illusion, but it's a really powerfull signet. Or you can use meteor shower at full power =P At least some fun with it we will have.

Effigy · Sep 22, 2006, 07:29 PM // 19:29

I won't disagree that the new monk skills outshine the mesmers', but there seems to be some real potential in these new additions.

Sig of Illusion will allow us to use skills linked to primary attributes of our secondary profession at full power, not to mention all the other skills you could use effectively without having to invest any points in the linked attribute. If nothing else, it will allow mesmers to diversify more, even taking skills for 4-5 different attributes without having to spread attribute points thin. Divine Boon anyone?

Tease sounds like a really fun way to piss off anyone that spams skills, like monks.

Assuming they have the good sense to attack you, you always have Distortion to further rain on their parade. True, it can be removed, but it can also be covered. I wonder how Tease+Diversion will play out...

Wastrel's Demise looks fun too. I can see it working well with things like Diversion, Guilt, Shame, etc.

Backlash sounds like a good answer to Aegis, Orders, Tainted, etc.

Too many options. I can't say I'm disappointed.

Hella Good · Sep 22, 2006, 08:41 PM // 20:41

Backlash aka Mirror of Disenchantment. Yes, this skill will rule supreme vs mass enchantments like Aegis and Orders, and vs stuff like Bonds, Tainted. I expect to see a lot of it in HA.

To be honest tho, most of the new Me elites seem unimpressive. Much like Factions, the good stuff is non-elite; the majority of elites seem to be filler skills. Sig of Illusions is by far the best looking elite. The rest seems way too situational. But will have to test more be4 coming to conclusions.

I like the following skills tho:

Mirror of Disenchantment (as explained above)
Spiritual Pain (my fav new Me skill so far)
Frustration (better than either AC and Migraine impo)
Sig of Clumsiness (nice free spike skill in WarHate builds)
Drain Delusions (it's a nice utility skill)
Ether Phantom (fits well in ED builds)
Web of Disruption (2 inters at the price of 1, universal, and makes skills like Shatter Del and Drain Del much more useful)

Effigy · Sep 22, 2006, 08:48 PM // 20:48

I mostly agree with you on the elites, but really this strikes me as being a good thing. Since 7/8 of your skillbar is non-elite, having powerful skills to fill those slots is awesome. I'd rather have a handful of nice skills than one good elite and a lot of garbage. We already have a number of useful elites, like EDrain, ESurge, Expel Hexes, etc. Sig of Illusion is a nice option as well, and I certainly plan to mess around with it in the future.

Avarre · Sep 23, 2006, 02:04 AM // 02:04

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Originally Posted by HolyHawk

Or you can use meteor shower at full power =P

A horrifying waste of energy for a chacter not built to cast those kind of spells =/

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Originally Posted by Effigy

Divine Boon anyone?

Except that skill has no real use to mesmers. As we've both mentioned, the only good use I can see right now is being able to bring all attribute skills.

Apocrypha · Sep 23, 2006, 03:16 AM // 03:16

Few of those names are off, they might have changed them now. I've seeing Hypochondriac instead of immune deficiency as well as a few others, Simple Thievery, Price of Pride (humble) to name a few.

Looking very nice, more straight damage in the dom line WW + WD + Mistrust/Guilt and/or Diversion.

HolyHawk · Sep 23, 2006, 03:16 AM // 03:16

Not quite, some eles are copying the iq fire nuker from the game vs evil. I didn't mean that I was bringing meteor shower in my bar, but praying to steal from theirs and nuking the npc rangers =P

Dragannia · Sep 23, 2006, 05:08 AM // 05:08

I just looked at Extend Conditions. It's not a hex, and has, from the description, infinite duration. 30 second Daze, anyone?

Hella Good · Sep 23, 2006, 07:33 AM // 07:33

I did in fact just kill a Fire Ele by stealing her Meteor Shower and SoI casting it on her. Then I borrowed a hex or two from a Me brother. All the while keeping my self alive with SoI + SoDevotion, of course, and spamming random Enchantments like Blood Renewal which a Necro was kind enough to give me through Inspired Enchantment. Was fun. Really fun. Spell Thief is probably the most exciting thing to play... you never know whats gonna be on your skill bar. :-)

TeeGee · Sep 23, 2006, 08:01 AM // 08:01

Spell thief is sure funny. Probably the most crazy build ever. Still I would like to recieve some more practical skills in NF.

So? Anybody have tried Tease yet?

Avarre · Sep 23, 2006, 08:36 AM // 08:36

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Originally Posted by Hella Good

I did in fact just kill a Fire Ele by stealing her Meteor Shower and SoI casting it on her. Then I borrowed a hex or two from a Me brother. All the while keeping my self alive with SoI + SoDevotion, of course, and spamming random Enchantments like Blood Renewal which a Necro was kind enough to give me through Inspired Enchantment. Was fun. Really fun. Spell Thief is probably the most exciting thing to play... you never know whats gonna be on your skill bar. :-)

The downside being that your effectiveness depends on what you can steal, and you lack the synergy of a constructed build.

Terra Xin · Sep 23, 2006, 11:18 AM // 11:18

Playing a SoI build will be entirely possible, but you're playstyle is going to be the most difficult to master compared to most mesmer builds, it's not a simple matter of predicting interrupts or casting diversion at the right time, you're gonna have to have a third eye to keep track of what goes on around you, so that what you steal is what you expect to steal.

My favourite build uses the 4 quickfire spells Wastrel's Worry, Wastrel's Demse, Drain Delusions, Ether Phantom. Drain + Phantom is a really nice combo to take out a person's energy, very very nice.

Enchanter's Connundrum + Shatter Delusions spike ^^